Downtown Pedestrian Safety Project Sticker Shock

Fairhope, Alabama


 Crosswalks at Pine Ave/ Police Station approved


COST ESTIMATED OVER $1 MILLION

Fairhope Ave. at Fairwood Blvd.
Public Works Director Johnson brought engineering designs for the three pedestrian safety projects in the downtown area that were proposed last year but the $1.01 million total cost estimate was a concern for some council members (including a $100K contingency).

* $366K for the Fairhope Avenue/Fairwood Blvd. intersection including textured pavement and crosswalks, islands, and a 3-way stop.

* $248K for a center lane textured (natural stone pavers) safety strip on S. Section Street and for modifying the De La Mare and Johnson Avenue intersection crosswalks/pedestrian landings.

* $80 K for two, textured LED crosswalks and new pedestrian landings on N. Section Street in the vicinity of Pine Avenue and the Police Station.


 N. SECTION ST. PROJECT ONLY AUTHORIZED FOR NOW

Councilman Brown called it "a pretty large number" and proposed proceeding now only with the critical $80K project for the N. Section/Pine Avenue-area crosswalks "to get people across safely there." Councilman Robinson agreed the area "has multiple safety issues." (Robinson's wife is current director of the Downtown Business Association.)

Proposed De La Mare Ave modifications
Councilman Burrell questioned the necessity for new pedestrian areas on the southwest corner of De La Mare where the mayor's business is located; she said she had nothing to do with the design.  Johnson said that area could be landscaped instead, if necessary,

Councilman Conyers wanted to know if any grants were available to help with funding and was told there are not.

Johnson said the smaller Pine project should go quickly, but asked and got the go-ahead to seek bids at the same time on the other two as well (as separate projects with the option of  using cheaper alternate materials) ... and the council could decide what to do about them at a later date.

Council president Burrell added he thought "it all is needed" though.



Proposed S. Section Street safety strip area

De La Mare at S. Section crosswalks

N. Section (police station) crosswalk

N. Section at Pine Avenue crosswalk


Cost estimate



Comments

Anonymous said…
I'd be curious to see what the creative minds of our town could do with De La Mare if it were limited to pedestrian and deliveries only. It appears to serve little value to traffic circulation. The old K-1 would have to pick up the 40 parking spaces that would be lost. But I think it would draw more people, not less, to those stores. And provide a quieter place downtown, a destination that is connected to the Fairhopers park through the alley.
Anonymous said…
Just try yellow low cost speed tables first at each of the 3 intersections. Cars have to slow down to cross the speed tables and that is the objective. They work. Flashing lights embedded in an asphalt street for a cost of $1 MILLION dollars is a colossal waste of tax payer money. Plus, Section Street will look like an airport runway. Go back to the drawing board.
Publisher said…
We understand speed tables, bumps, humps, etc., were ruled out for downtown because of opposition from various parade organizations (trip hazards.
Anonymous said…
Johnson Avenue should be closed and made a pedestrian mall since the revrse angle parking has been a failure.
trumancapote said…
Johnson Ave should never be closed to parking......why have a pedestrian mall when there are no shops, restaurants, etc? Perhaps it should have more parking with only one way access like De La Mare? As to the crosswalks, etc, we have crosswalks and most people never even slow down. What we need is enforcement. If Fairhope police dedicated a few officers for a few months to ticketing violators, they could make a lot of money while educating the public.
MontroseMama said…
I agree that enforcement should come first, ticket the hell out of violators and people may be more careful when they are driving downtown.
Anonymous said…
The sidewalks blockage downtown is a particular problem for pedestrians trying to navigate. Trying to navigate by Locals, R-Bistro, and the numerous tables and large chairs in front of the mayor’s bookstore should be addressed. This was a problem before she became mayor and seems to have only gotten worse. Walking downtown is frightening and should only be undertaken with utmost caution by pedestrians. The city needs to recognize that something should be done to protect visitors and residents alike. There is much resistance to rerouting traffic to Magnolia and making Fairhope Avenue downtown a walking area but it would make our beautiful downtown even more fabulous. I think there should be time limits on the on-street downtown parking so most of the spaces aren’t taken by employees. Employees could park in the parking garage or at least a couple of blocks away from the central downtown area.
Anonymous said…
I walk through all of these areas frequently, so my first comment is I am not sure why the great concern for the Fairwood intersection. Already a crosswalk, and difficult only at school drop-off and pick-up times. Don’t believe a new crosswalk, Textured or not is going to have any impact on the large SUVs that already routinely ignore the crosswalks at those times. More importantly, this is just a million dollar band-aid that doesn't address the problem. The problem is that the realities of increased traffic, narrow sidewalks, and unlimited parking are not consistent with the goal of maintaining the downtown as the walkable hub of Fairhope. Fairhope really needs to consider making the center of Fairhope pedestrian only, or one way streets only with widened pedestrian walkways and limited time parking.
Anonymous said…
People are lazy
People are self-centered
People think their way is the only good way
People think everyone but themselves are stupid
It’s all about me scxxx you
This is the world we live in today, most commenters on here guilty as hxxx
Anonymous said…
Fairhope would significantly improve its downtown by creating a pedestrian only zone around the central core blocks of Fairhope and Section. Businesses in the area would experience significant increased foot traffic and additional business because pedestrian zones always attract lots of visitors and customers to the area. Another benefit is that the huge number of able bodied people in this area who badly need a little more exercise could experience the benefit of walking more than 25 feet back and forth to their giant SUV or pickup truck.
Anonymous said…
All that is really needed at Fairwood is a 3 way stop. Cheap solution.
Anonymous said…
A 4 way stop sign on Bancroft at Magnolia would help that busy intersection immensely.
Anonymous said…
It's all you new people are causing these problems.
I wish Ya'll would go back to wherever you came from!
JPerry said…
You already have crosswalks and people still cross in the middle of the street not wanting to walk 50 extra feet to get to one. Add the regular type crosswalks and enforce the Jay walking tickets. Fancy expensive ones just waste tax payers money that would be sell spent on a new sewage treatment plant to deal with all the new people moving in.
Anonymous said…
Nah, we are staying. If you dont like the way it's going you can leave yourself.
Anonymous said…
Enforcement of existing crossings should be a priority. If the police refuse to enforce the crossing at Oak and Section Streets, we need a traffic light. Daily I see people almost get run down there because the cars are zooming up the hill from the grade school and they refuse to stop for pedestrians. If the police don't want to enforce these crossings, they should be painted over so that people don't risk their lives.
Anonymous said…
The City Council needs to listen to the community. NOBODY wants to pay for fancy crosswalks that no one will stop for. If the City Council cares about the laws, make the police ENFORCE the crosswalk laws. It appears that the police department does nothing.......they can't even enforce crosswalks right outside of their door? So embarrassing! I am not maligning the new chief......the previous one was even more remiss in his duties, but it's time to step up!
Anonymous said…
So agree with the light for Oak & Section. So many people don't realize that there is a 25 mph speed limit there, not just at school times. It is almost ridiculous there how everyone speeds through there.
Anonymous said…
For every person complaining about speeding there are three complaining behind the scenes about getting too many tickets. People like to drive fast! Don't want to follow the stinkin' traffic laws!
Anonymous said…
Police Officers writing tickets can only last so long. They can't sit there everyday so that is a short term solution. The solution is speed tables/humps up and down Section Street, Magnolia Avenue, Oak Street, South Mobile and Fairhope Avenue. Purchase the ones with a color that is easily seen (yellow) and that are made out of a rubber material. They can be removed/replaced during Mardi Gras parades if that is a concern. Just try five of the speed tables downtown on Section Street first as a "low cost" test. Put one by Greers, put one by Page & Pallete, put one by the Hampton Inn, put one across from Dr Harrell's Office and put one between the Police Station and Civic Center. You will see a dramatic reduction in speeders on Section Street in downtown Fairhope if you do this. Someone at the City do some research online for rubber speed tables and buy them soon. No need to spend a million dollars for runway lights or conduct a $30K traffic study. Buy the rubber speed tables, install them and see if they work. If not, recycle them. You might just be amazed!
Anonymous said…
Speed tables as above sound great. The intersection at Oak and Section is ridiculous.
Anonymous said…
They probably would only have to heavily enforce/ticket for a few months before drivers get the message. Ticket prices aren't that much but increased insurance costs will get our attention. At least they could try it. I can't figure out what the police here do. We see their vehicles parked all over but I have yet to see anyone flagged for speeding or for almost hitting a pedestrian (both of which I see frequently on Fels and on Section).
Anonymous said…
The vast majority of people here want to continue speeding and running stop signs. They are not about to post their names on social media though .....
Anonymous said…
Some years ago the Grand Hotel complained about the police citing some of their quests. A call to the mayor and ever sense its been hands off. So us citizens just do without law and order.
Anonymous said…
Aside from the many postings, one of the many issues is the streets in downtown area are so narrow and in some areas actually below DOT and NTHSB regulations traffic actually pulls into oncoming traffic as larger vehicles extend far beyond the size of parking spaces.
As for enforcement of traffic ,there is VERY LITTLE IF ANY.If a citizens attempts to contact law enforcement they are now requires to enter the newly named Justice Dept dial a phone to ask for an appointment to even speak with an officer who simply tell them they'll look into it or it's civil matter.
It would be nice to say see you at the polls during this next election cycle but I doubt that those who grip the most will even bother to show up especially if it rains.
Anonymous said…
If you build it, they will come - NOT! Cross walks all over the city, but do pedestrians use them? NO! Why spend all this money and they will still cross in the middle to save a few steps.
trumancapote said…
I heard yesterday that the City Council has approved the Million dollars plus to put ILS lighting systems on a few crosswalks. These men love to spend other peoples' money, don't they? Forget trying a bit of law enforcement!
Publisher said…
The council has appropriated no funds so far; gave tentative approval to the $70K crosswalks/ped. landings near the police station only.