New Plans To Curb "Chaos" Along Greeno Road

Fairhope, Alabama


1987 citizen survey report


NO AIRPORT BOULEVARD WANTED

During its August 5th meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission will consider a zoning amendment intended to prevent Greeno Road from becoming another Airport Boulevard (W. Mobile's infamously-congested street) or Hamburger Hill (US 98, Daphne): an effort that began in the late 1980s with the Corridor 98 Committee's  'Road To Chaos' report, continued with the city's Village Comprehensive Growth Plan in 2001 ... and most-recently last October's Visual Preference Survey of citizens for the highway.


Oct. 2018 Visual Preference Survey


6.5 MILE LONG CORRIDOR

The Greeno Road Corridor (GRC) zoning overlay envisions five districts along a 6.5 mile stretch (800 feet wide) that transitions from less-intense commercial uses on the outskirts of town ... to more intense at the central Fairhope Avenue intersection (single family residential property in the corridor is not affected).

"The GRC is intended to provide a transition of use intensity from less intensity to greater intensity back to less intensity along Greeno Road.  Additional landscaping, parking in the rear, retrofitting/updating old existing shopping centers, restricting drive thru lanes, restricting electric signs are some of the components of the plan."

(Existing businesses/buildings will be allowed to continue in the same manner, per Article VII of the Zoning Ordinance.)


FIVE SEGMENTS PROPOSED

1. NORTHERN EDGE DISTRICT


(Dale Road south to South Drive)

Provisions include (check the proposed ordinance for specifics):

Drive thru's and car washes prohibited.

Convenience stores and auto service stations allowed (if pumps in rear).

Small hotels/motels allowed.



2. NORTH VILLAGE DISTRICT

(South Drive to Highway 104)

Foresees retrofit of existing shopping centers.

Drive thru's, car washes, and quick serve (no tables) restaurants prohibited.

Convenience stores and service stations prohibited.

Limited grocery and general merchandise stores.



3. GATEWAY DISTRICT

(Highway 104 to Edwards Avenue)

Drive thru's, car washes, quick serve restaurants prohibited.

Convenience stores and service stations prohibited.

Limited grocery and general merchandise allowed.

Town homes limited to two stories.

(Approved PUD's as examples.)



4. FAIRHOPE AVENUE VILLAGE CENTER

(Edwards Avenue to Morphy Avenue)

Retrofit of existing shopping centers.

Drive thru's and quick serve restaurants prohibited.

Service station, convenience stores and auto repair prohibited.

Limited grocery and general merchandise.



5. SOUTHERN EDGE DISTRICT

(Morphy Avenue to Old Battles Road)

Drive thru's, convenience stores, service stations, car washes, and auto repair allowable (with some restrictions).






NOT APPLICABLE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY

The amendment applies to all construction, demolition, renovations, improvements of any kind occurring within the GRC overlay; but does not apply to properties zoned R-A, R-1, R-2, or R-3 (single family residential). Current zoning (under the overlay district) remains in effect.


Nonconforming uses, structures, lots, and other nonconformities existing within the GRC at the time of establishment shall be governed by Article VII of the Zoning Ordinance, nonconformities."




2001 comprehensive plan survey






Comments

Anonymous said…
What does retrofit entail? Does this mean that the current fast food, convenience stores, etc. already in those districts where they will not be permitted will be grandfathered in? I certainly hope so.
Publisher said…
Yes, it's our understanding all current businesses would continue, be "grandfathered in" per applicable provisions of the zoning ordinance.

The large shopping centers are specifically mentioned as candidates for "retrofitting" (ie. the big parking lots in front).
Anonymous said…
Great idea, lets also work on our zone laws. Start curb all this unchecked development. Or Fairhope will lose its unique appeal.
Anonymous said…
it is already airport blvd east due to all the political deals made over the years! this plan will be ignored too.
Anonymous said…
It already has.
Anonymous said…
Sad but too late....gentrification has already taken hold..just trying to put lipstick on a pig now
Anonymous said…
This ship sailed a long time ago, even if adopted the city will add to the 8645 zoning change requests granted and 15345 variances granted over the past 10 years
Anonymous said…
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Anonymous said…
What would retrofitting look like on a shopping center? And who has to pick up the tab for that? Anybody know?
Publisher said…
Parking would be behind stores instead of out front at the old shopping centers ... among other things (increased landscaping buffers, etc) Paid for by the private developers.
Anonymous said…
Is that fair to the owners to make them pay for something with a new plan when they have been there for years. Why all the "aesthetically perfection" things going on when there's infrastructure to be addressed?

Is Fairhope not satisfied with the high rankings and tourism that we have to spend so much time on retrofitting things that are perfectly sufficient now? I understand the desire to keep traffic from becoming Airport Blvd. All this fancying up is just the opposite of what the founders wanted and that was for the common man and woman to enjoy the beauty of nature here and now it's becoming only for the rich.

I believe we've passed the point of no return as far as authenticity of what Fairhope was. It's like the tony little made-up Seaside, Florida and other upscale places like that.

Thank you, Publisher, for keeping us up to date.
Publisher said…
This new plan is based largely upon citizen input, the most recent a "visual preference survey" of how people want the highway to look ... completed last year.

The Planning Commission and City Council will both have to approve it, after appropriate public hearings.

Anonymous said…
Well said poster about what the vision for Fairhope was. No longer. Too many people have forgotten what Fairhope means. A fair hope of success for all.
Anonymous said…
Perhaps the property owners of the shopping centers and other businesses will attend the meeting if they have objections to this hitting them in the pocketbook just to company to a certain desired "look."

I am not an one of those owners so it doesn't affect me enough to attend the meetings. It just increases my stress level! ha!

Anonymous said…
Making money is the only concern of the greedy property owners and their developers.
Anonymous said…
I find it noteworthy that those characterizing Farihope's proactive urban planning as "elitism" and "perfectionism" build their arguments upon the naive, utopian, and failed vision of 19th century socialist Henry George.

Georgism and Marxism were first cousins. Zombie-like, both continue to stalk deathlessly about progressive population pockets, threatening our way of life.

I hear Vermont is lovely this time of year, as is Novosibirsk, Comrades.
Anonymous said…
No my greed was to improve my living standards into old age, get away from all the noise downtown that drifts into my house, relief from traffic, and all the hateful people that now make up a majority of Fhope. By, I’ve left!
Anonymous said…
Yep. Greedy property owners on Greeno just want to cash in, sell the family farm or business ... then move away!
Anonymous said…
Let them do what they want. It is there property.
Anonymous said…
proactive urban planning - take a look around - Fairhope grew past what's being proposed 20 years ago. I'd like to turn the clock back but know there's no such thing as a time machine Conrades.
Anonymous said…
What about Fairhope Avenue?

something like this needs to be done there too.
Anonymous said…
Why the name calling - comrades - and telling people to leave? That's just what is part of the problem in Fairhope - the unkind attitudes and criticism toward those who have lived here and recall the way Fairhope used to be before all the high-end building.

Just because someone is appreciative of some of the things the Founders may have done like setting up the single tax so that all could enjoy the natural beauty doesn't indicate that he or she is signing on to join the communist or socialist party. Now THAT is a very shallow pronouncement to infer all of that from a few comments.



Anonymous said…
The lying property owners who made a lot of promises to the planning commission just to to get their property rezoned then did the opposite ought to be ashamed of themselves! Can't be trusted and do not deserve the special, privileged treatment they seek!
Anonymous said…
Who knew when family bought property there 60 years ago on a gravel road, had horses and chickens that it would all come to this? Who knew then that their 7+ acres of land would dwindle down to 4 with the taking of land for the 4 lane highway. Who knew then that the house they built to raise their families in would now sit within the 35' set back. Why are these people being penalized for wanting to sell because it's not fit to live on anymore as 25,000 - 30,000 cars a day zoom by their houses that set this close to the road?
Anonymous said…
Name calling? Certainly not. A true Marxist is not insulted when called Marxist. Give this, from Armstrong Economics (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/about/), a read...

"Georgism, which is a variety of Marxism whereby the State should own all the resources derived from land which is an old Physicocrat idea that wealth is derived from land. In this way, all natural resources should belong to government from mining to energy just for starters as if government operated industries ever ran efficient. He also supported a single tax for all an believes that, while people should own the value they produce themselves with everything derived from lkand should belone to government characterized as belonging equally to all members of society.
This philosophy was also born of this period of Karl Marx with the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. Henry George (1839 – 1897) was an American political economist, journalist, and philosopher. He wrote during this period and inspired several reform movements of the Progressive Era. His philosophy became known as Georgism, with the central core as Marx that the value of any product is its labor content to produce it – not capital. Based on the belief, George reasoned that people should own the value they produce themselves – not industry. He maintained that the economic value derived from land, which included natural resources, should belong equally to all members of society and thereby the state".
Anonymous said…
Zoning is a good thing. It protects us from the greedy property owners and developers.
Anonymous said…
Bloviation is a style of empty, pompous political speech
Anonymous said…
Oh my! I didn't even take the time to read all that the person wrote about Marxists. That's plain ridiculous to spend all that time on a subject like that when we are discussing a zoning issue. This isn't about who is the most intelligent and studied person to comment.

Publisher, might I suggest you require people to register with screen names?
Joseph S. said…
"Anonymous said...

...Publisher, might I suggest you require people to register with screen names?"

LOL!
H.S. Diploma said…
"Oh my! I didn't even take the time to read all that the person wrote about Marxists. That's plain ridiculous to spend all that time on a subject like that when we are discussing a zoning issue."

Nor did you read anything that came before it--obviously. The whole thread is about who owns the means of production; so, it doesn't get more relevant than Marx, especially in a community founded on Georgism.

One doesn't need a MENSA card to card to read, to know her history, and think before she speaks.
Anonymous said…
Boy o Boy some people really do love themselves
So Bored said…
"Boy o Boy some people really do love themselves"

Yep, including the one who has her computer programmed to autofill the above-quoted phrase into this comment box.
Anonymous said…
Nothing wrong with a high school diploma. More snobbery and condescension in the comments.
H.S. Diploma said…
Yes, there is nothing wrong with a H.S. diploma, which is what I have, and that is my point.

I can read, and I can think before I speak--both without PhD. Higher education does not mitigate the moral ignorance that allows Marxist sympathy; indeed, it often makes it worse.

Likewise, the class warriors here who label anyone who disagrees "a snob," fondly approach Marxism from another direction: redistributionist envy.

If you work hard and work hard to keep Fairhope's little corner of America free, you'll find happiness in life, more time to help neighbors, and less time to imagine that you know best how others' should enjoy their property.
Anonymous said…
Well Mr. Know It All answer this? If someone is stupid how do they know?
Einstein’s greatest marvel was not how much he knew but how much he didn’t know.
H.S. Diploma said…
"Well Mr. Know It All answer this? If someone is stupid how do they know?"

Let's not conflate ignorance and stupidity. The latter cannot be corrected, and it is folly to debate it. Also, stupidity is non-volitional; so, deriding it is very uncharitable, cruel even.

We should, however, be intolerant of ignorance on parade in public policy discussions, especially when it's fueled by emotional factors such as anger, envy, class warfare, or only a desire to stir the pot.

What I don't know is a lot...far more than Einstein. I'm not ashamed to admit it. I'm just trying to learn new things at least as fast as I am forgetting old things. It's a battle, I tell you.