Twin Beech Apartment Project Gets Go Ahead

Fairhope, Alabama 

 

Carmel Park Flats approved.


PLANNING COMMISSION'S MARCH MEETING

After being tabled from last month's meeting for further review of traffic issues, the planning commission voted unanimously for preliminary MOP approval of Carmel Park Flats,  a 242 unit multi occupancy project on 20.4 acres just outside of city limits on east Twin Beech Road (at Thompson Hall). 

Per direction from the commission at its February meeting, the city hired Shane Bergin, traffic engineer with Neel/Schaffer Inc., to review previous traffic studies. 

Bergin concluded that the project would not have significant impact on traffic "as long as the planned (roadway) improvements are constructed."  

"Substantial completion" of a roundabout at the CR 13/Twin Beech Road intersection and turning lanes at the Twin Beech/Greeno Road intersection were priorities specifically mentioned in the new report.

Turning lanes into the development itself off of Twin Beech Road, lowering speed limits, and a four way stop at Boothe Road were already requirements from the previous study; the city is pursuing a traffic signal at that intersection instead (with MPO funding), according to the city's public works director (a four way stop could cause excessive traffic "back-up" there).

 

NEIGHBORS STILL OBJECT

Richard Johnson, attorney for the Fairhope Quality of Life organization, still questioned traffic study conclusions.

He said it was his understanding an entirely new traffic study was to be conducted ... not just a review of existing ones; he also still questioned whether the data was collected during "true peak hours" (school traffic).

Private citizens online and elsewhere questioned if the public meeting was being conducted properly, given the unusual pandemic conditions that limited attendance and encouraged remote participation instead (per governor's open meeting orders). 

A more detailed, final MOP approval will still be needed at some point.


Attorney Richard Johnson


 

Comments

Anonymous said…
Rats!
Anonymous said…
Why create a future ghetto. They will not improve with time . No pride of home ownership here. Condos yes Apartments no !
Anonymous said…
If somebody would start building affordable homes again apartments would not be needed.
Anonymous said…
"If somebody would start building affordable homes again apartments would not be needed."

If "affordable homes" represent such a highly remunerative enterprise, why don't you build them?

Also, apartments are not "needed," but some folks with the resources and inclination to build them sees profit in them. That does not make apartments desirable for our community. They will likely put many strains on our infrastructure disproportionate to the revenue they generate for services (e.g. schools, police).

Until our elected officials start leading, though, developers lawfully will make money here--indifferent to our quality of life and our community's charming character.
Anon said…
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Anonymous said…
Fairhope's founders are rolling in their graves at all the speculation here now.
Anonymous said…
If each of the 242 apartments has two children of school age living there , Fairhope will need will need to build a new school . The developers need to pay a yearly impact & upkeep fee . Then building this type of project would not be so profitable . If they were condos they could still be rentals , if that is what’s need . The Single Tax Colony should stop this project now , if they truly care about Fairhope's future .They own the property . Condo yes Apartments no .
AOC said…
"Fairhope's founders are rolling in their graves at all the speculation here now."

Founders? It's 2021: all founders have been cancelled. They were decidedly un-woke.

S_Fire said…
High-density housing is always the fastest runner in a race to the bottom...

You'll hear people argue "there is no affordable housing", but the truth is that willfully choosing to live in a desirable area is not a right, it's a privilege of circumstance.

These tenants won't pay a dime in property taxes, but they will undoubtedly use every single resource, from sending their kids to public schools, to enjoying the public parks, to using emergency services. The commercial tax rate the housing management company will pay (which is supposed to cover property tax) does not workout to anywhere near equal to what a detached single family dwelling houses pay.

In the end, this is nothing more than subsidized housing for even more Mobilians to flee across the Bay to come to the desirable Eastern Shore, and it will be the homeowners who have to foot the bill for this uncontrollable growth.

Anonymous said…
@s_Fire "tenants won't pay a dime in taxes" Do you believe the landlord doesn't include that in rent prices and just pay the taxes out of their own pockets? This is ridiculous! The people that have grown up here can't afford to buy here. Many are having to sell ancestral lands to survive. Where are they supposed to live? Robertsdale? Since they can't keep up in Fairhope with all the newcomers incomes. Fairhope is and always has been a bunch of snobs! Always have hated the people of color and the poor here. Glad all the new folks here fit right in!
Ali said…
For the person who was too afraid to post his name to his/her comment about the ghetto should be ashamed of him/herself. What makes you think "ghetto"?
These are apartments.
Born & Raised in Robertsdale said…
"Where are they supposed to live? Robertsdale?...Fairhope is and always has been a bunch of snobs!"

What's wrong with Robertsdale? Who is the snob?
Anonymous said…
Uh... Robertsdale is a real dump. Why don't you fix your tacky old downtown?
Anonymous said…
"Uh... Robertsdale is a real dump. Why don't you fix your tacky old downtown?"

As usual, anonymity and basic decency are measured out in inverse proportion.
Anonymous said…
This is another disaster brought to you by 68 Ventures, which is the parent company for Truland Homes and Bellator.
Friends, if we don't speak up and hold our elected officials accountable, the parasites at 68 Ventures/Truland/Bellator are going to ruin our community.

Make no mistake, these people do not care about sustainable growth, this community, or the quality of life for the residents. They have been and will continue the erosion of our community until we stop them..
Anonymous said…
It is the greedy local yocals fault who are selling out their family farms and businesses to the developers.
Anonymous said…
Agree with the 68 Ventures, Truland, Bellator comment. Officials said they would control growth. Packing people in to apartments is a guaranteed way to ruin Fairhope. Schools will need to be built, which by the way we just got a new school tax added to our property taxes, garbage service, water sewer costs will all rise, oh that's right they just did. Get used to it, more to come. Also the roads are getting bad due to developers trucks running all day, every day. Please don't forget the poorly built homes Horton slaps up. Sorry if you bought one but those homes do not last. They cut corners, let framing lumber sit out in the rain and mud, concrete not cured, etc. Those homes litter Loxley and Robertsdale. Owners can't afford to keep having to update them due to cheap materials and many are rentals.

I have been living in Fairhope for many years because it was quiet, had nicer homes, traffic was low, utilities low, population isn't packed in apartments and allotments with no yards, cheap wood fences around every tiny yard that rot and fall over, etc. That is all disappearing so that means I, like many other retirees that have resources, will leave. Retirees or near retirees are one and two people households that typically want nice homes in well maintained neighborhoods. We don't use up resources, like families packed in apts or homes they can't afford, and yet we spend a lot money in local businesses.